Betsy King - Part 3 (1992 LPGA, 1997 Dinah Shore and the Solheim Cup)

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Mike Gonzalez  00:15

Yeah, well in between your back to back wins there you did have a victory in the Corning Classic finishing 65, 66 to beat Deb Richard by six.

King, Betsy  00:26

Okay. Yeah, that was Corning is, that was always a great event to go to because I mean, Corning is not a huge town and we were the event of the year. Everybody came out, they would do, you know, all downtown would be decorated with in the shop windows with stuff about the Corning Classic and it was everybody, you were kind of a, like a huge star there, you know, like, basketball players or whatever. But it was a very tight course. Not super long. But that year when I won, I remember I I barely made the cut. I you know, had a good finish just to make the cut. And then but I felt that I was playing well. And I remember saying, you know if I can just make the cut, I think I can do okay. And, you know, ended up playing very well on the weekend and winning.

Mike Gonzalez  01:20

Yeah. You mentioned how supportive the town of Corning was, what other small towns were some of your favorites that really came out and supported the tour events.

King, Betsy  01:30

Hershey, Hershey, Pennsylvania, right. We played there. And we used to have some of our biggest galleries of the year there. Rochester, New York. I never played particularly well there. But the crowd support there was phenomenal. Anywhere that we went where they don't have tons of professional sport teams, you know, you become the event of the year they have, you know, even Springfield was like that Illinois, you know, they have a highlight show each night after the news. Highlights of the tournament. Yeah. And it really made it special. You felt very special to be there.

Mike Gonzalez  02:09

Yeah, yeah. I remember Kathy Whitworth. And when you visit with her, she she just loved going to Rochester.

King, Betsy  02:16

Oh, and she played well there. She had her at eighth when there. And I remember kind of going out to watch her. You know, because she did have a chance to break. You know, set this record or whatever. And it was fun fun to see.

Mike Gonzalez  02:33

Well, let's go to 1992. Three more wins. Bruce opening up with another major.

Devlin, Bruce  02:38

Boy, what a victory. This was rounds of 68, 66, 67, 66  17 under par. And you just scraped in by eleven

King, Betsy  02:55

That I know for a fact that obviously was the best set I ever played in a tournament for four days. I just Bethesda Country Club. It was a challenging Golf Course very tight off the tees. Small greens at the time. It's been redone since we are there too. But I just played extremely well off for days. I think I had a six shot lead heading into the last round. And you know, just kept it in play potted? Well, I know I had a 10 shot lead, got standing on the last tee and birdied the last hole to win by 11. So it was if it if there can be a stress free time, that was probably yet to stand on the last tee with a 10 shot lead.

Mike Gonzalez  03:42

Unless of course there was water on the last goal.

King, Betsy  03:46

20 shots no I don't know it was it was great.

Devlin, Bruce  03:50

And it was the largest winning margin in the event up to that time.

King, Betsy  03:55

And I think it was the lowest score in relation to par in a major at that time. 17 was an amazing Yes.

Mike Gonzalez  04:04

Yeah. And 267 was the lowest absolute score up to that point as well. First player with all four rounds in the 60s for an LPGA event. Just a lot of records set during the tournament. You made two bogeys all week. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it was You missed 11 greens all week.

King, Betsy  04:26

Oh, I did. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And they weren't big greens.

Mike Gonzalez  04:34

Well, I love the quote by JoAnne Carner. I picked up maybe in an SI article, I don't remember but after the third round. JoAnne was quoted as saying it'll take about a 60 on Saturday and I think I'd still lose by one. Yeah. And then after the final round, she says she's so quiet talking about Betsy King. She's so quiet. She doesn't get the publicity she deserves. She doesn't seem to have a lot to say. She just goes out and whips our butt.  That sounds like JoAnne doesn't it?.

King, Betsy  05:06

So yeah, no, I just played really, really well. So it's nice to I don't have to think about what's the best tournament you've ever played? I know what's the best round you ever play?

Devlin, Bruce  05:18

Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

Mike Gonzalez  05:22

Well, you were still in the midst of a tenure zone. So we'll we'll go into, you know, we'll go on to finish up 1992 With a few more victories, Bruce.

Devlin, Bruce  05:31

the Phar-Mor in Youngstown, where you Oh, guess what she won in a playoff again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Donna Andrews, Beth Daniel and Meg Mallon.

King, Betsy  05:42

Yep, I remember that was like a huge playoff and I think I won on the second playoff hole. I don't remember who dropped out of the first one but the second playoff hole was a par three and I made a bird birdie I believe to win

Mike Gonzalez  05:57

and then the next couple of wins I think came in Japan one in 92  at the Mazda Japan classic and then one in 93 at the Toray Japan Queen's Cup. And so back to the the long crazy bus rides very much so.

King, Betsy  06:14

And I remember in 93 I I hadn't won all year and then you know one there so that was sort of like my last chance to keep the win streak alive for you know, winning a tournament every year. So ya know? That was it. That was a good win.

Mike Gonzalez  06:34

But 93 is still a good year right? I mean player the year money winner, leading money winner,  Vare Trophy winner. So you know in 93 you finish up your 10th straight year with with multiple wins with the with the two victories with the second victory coming at the the LPGA Skins Game if you want to call that maybe what an official event but you won the Skins Game down at Stonebriar.

King, Betsy  06:57

Right, right. Yeah, I think I played on it twice, I believe. But yeah, that was nice. For for the LPGA goes more exposure. I know Nancy played in it. Dottie Pepper, I think played in it the year I played in it. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. It was it was it's it's so different from playing in a tournament. It's I think the hardest part of that format is when you have to make a putt to tie. It's easier to make. Yeah. And when the skin it's harder to, to get the tie so that you don't lose the skin. So but it was great for the tour. And obviously, I feel fortunate that I had an opportunity to play in that.

Mike Gonzalez  07:40

Yeah. So we're going to skip a year now, which is unusual to skip 94 and go to 95 to pick up that next victory. But you know, you come in at 95 You're coming up on 40 years old. What's the what's the mindset at this point? Do you think I'm gonna be playing for a while or I'm not sure I'm, I'm enjoying the life on the road as much as I did when I was younger was what was happening?

King, Betsy  08:05

Well, for me at the time, you know, my 30th Win got me into the Hall of Fame. So that was that that was the pressure point. For me. I was stuck on 29 for a little while. And, you know, the hardest part probably was going into the press interviews. If you didn't win, you didn't win, even though you think second or third. It was like what happened? You know? So yeah,

Mike Gonzalez  08:32

you did that. You did that 41 times, by the way, going into that press conference before getting that I really getting that 30 of the winners 41 events.

Devlin, Bruce  08:42

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

King, Betsy  08:44

And I in fact, that by that time, I was working with a sports psychologist, you know, because obviously, when I started, there wasn't even such a thing, you know, in relation. And I, I that was one of the things I worked on with him was just to have an answer to share, when that question was asked, so you just had this answer already queued up. And so you didn't waste energy thinking about what you were going to say? And yeah, good point. Yeah, yeah. Which was helpful, which was very helpful.

Mike Gonzalez  09:16

But others have felt the pressure you felt with, you know, trying to get that last victory to get you in the LPGA Hall of Fame. There have been several other guests that have really struggled to get that right over there, as well.

King, Betsy  09:28

Right. And I was the last person that qualified under those quite criteria. When I got in, it was 30 wins with two different majors, which looking back on it was, how do you count the U.S. Open, win it twice, and it doesn't count as two different majors.

Devlin, Bruce  09:44

Yeah, it's silly. Of course,

King, Betsy  09:47

et cetera. But but so it was quite an accomplishment to make to make it in and if we start talking about Atlantic City, I'll tell you about it. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  10:00

Well you birdied the final two holes for that victory. Of course we're talking about the 1995 ShopRite LPGA Classic. Your second winner that event at Great Bay Country Club in New Jersey by two over Beth Daniel and Rosie Jones. So big, big win and your career

King, Betsy  10:14

very much so and what was amazing not amazing, but I had held the lead at that tournament. I don't know if it was one year or two years prior probably two years. I had a one shot lead standing on the last hole. It's a very tight par for you don't hit driver off the tee dogleg right. And I drove it right into the trees and I pitched it out hit a poor wedge on the green and three putted to make a double to miss getting into a playoff not only losing the event, you know, if I poor I win if I Bogey, I'm in a playoff, I make double and miss a playoff. So an emery poly one. And so then here I am, two years later standing on the last tee with a one shot lead. Now trying to get the last one to get into the Hall of Fame. And so I believe I hit either three, either three wood or five wood off the tee, I think three would hit it very well down down the middle. And then wedged on and made about a 1012 footer for birdie to win by two. So

Mike Gonzalez  11:21

yeah, I hate to put you on the spot with this question. But but because the qualification criteria are much different between the LPGA Hall of Fame which came first and the World Golf Hall of Fame for the typical LPGA player, do they hold one? Maybe more dear than than the other?

King, Betsy  11:42

Um, you know, I that's all happened since me. I mean, I when I got in the LPGA Hall of Fame that automatically qualified me for the World Golf Hall of Fame. So I don't know, they they changed all that criteria after that after I got in. So I I don't really know. I mean, as far as that. But I do know, I was the last person that got in under the LPGA Hall of Fame criteria of 30 wins with two different majors. And the feeling was that there would be there would there'd be way too many people. I mean, way too, there wouldn't be enough people that would qualify. When I made it in. I was the 14th person to get in in 45 years. So

Devlin, Bruce  12:27

yeah, it's a bit heavy criteria. Really, when you think about it, yeah,

King, Betsy  12:33

you know, there's more competition, the fields are deeper and they don't eat as many tournaments. You know, that I would play probably, on average, close to 30 events a year now the top players if they play 25 That's that's a big schedule.

Devlin, Bruce  12:49

Right? Right.

Mike Gonzalez  12:50

There aren't gonna be too many more in history. I don't think unless things change dramatically. They're gonna win 34 times or more.

King, Betsy  12:56

Yeah, you know, I think that too, and then Annika came along and Lorena and Karrie Webb they were probably the best of the next generation. Yeah, and then but, but today I you know, who knows? It's hard to when you're not playing. It's hard to know. You know, when you play alongside you can obviously recognize the best talent when you're just good players. Yeah, from when you look in from the outside. It's kind of hard to tell that.

Mike Gonzalez  13:25

So about this time you went through I think about a nine year stretch where you actually hosted the tournament, the walk oviya tournament in Yeah,

King, Betsy  13:32

yep. Yep, that was a dream come true. For me. I wanted to try to get something going in my hometown and it worked out. We started actually it was a local bank. That was the original sponsor. Meridian bank that was based in Berks County, and Vanity Fair, VF Corp, they were also their corporate headquarters were in Reading at the time, and they're the largest apparel only company in the world. So those two CEOs, you know, put up the basis for the person that got us started. And in that nine year run the then the, after a year or two, the bank became the title sponsor, and it went from Core state to Wachovia to First Union. They kept changing this bank spurge, and now I believe it's Wells Fargo. And so by the time it became, well, First Union was based in Charlotte, and they're like, Okay, why are we sponsoring a tournament in Reading, Pennsylvania? Yeah, so that's when it went away. But it was great fun. It was great for the community. It was great for charity, and I feel very honored that we were able to have an event, an LPGA event. I wanted to have the players come and see where I grew up and at the same good idea. LPGA

Devlin, Bruce  14:57

Yeah. So even though you didn't When in 1996, it didn't take you very long to jump back in the winner's circle in 1997 Another major victory at The Dinah Shore, where you one by two over Kris Tschetter

King, Betsy  15:15

you know, I can hardly remember anything about I don't know why I didn't, I didn't I just realized I was somewhere within the last couple of months that somebody was looking at my record, and I didn't even realize that it was 42 when I won that event. Because nowadays, like there's hardly anybody plays into their 40s It seems like everybody's retiring. They're starting younger and then retiring younger but um, you know, I obviously played well. I don't think I was paired with with Kris the last day. But

Mike Gonzalez  15:52

it might have been might have been Kelly Robbins because you were tied with Kelly after three rounds. Okay.

King, Betsy  15:57

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I don't remember much about it. I think I think I went in the pond. That was the only time I went into the end of the water because Amy, you know, started that tradition. But she did it. And then the next year, it didn't continue. And then it kind of kept. It started again after that. So when I went in, I couldn't even get my caddie to go in with me. First of all. We were still going into the pond, you know, which they kind of cleaned up, you know, that morning, they would clean it up. But still, and I didn't do a big runny or anything because they really weren't doing that, you know, then the last few years. It's become a it's been great. It's been you know, they show it every year on ESPN and it's been great. That's probably what I remember most is that I did get to go into the water that time.

Mike Gonzalez  16:57

Yeah. Well, this was your farewell as a winner to The Dinah Shore. Of course, the it was a fond farewell this spring as they played the last what we still had to short Mission Hills before moving on to Texas. A little bit bittersweet. Were you there?

King, Betsy  17:12

I did go. I did go last week. I was I mean, last year, I wasn't at, you know, the whole event. But I did go at the start of the week. And I think I watched the first day of play. But yeah, it was, you know, obviously, there's a lot of memories there. And, you know, there's good and bad with everything. I mean, having Chevron step up as a major sponsor is, you know, great for the event. And at the same time, it's interesting because the last few years, I don't think they had the budget that they had at one time and they weren't advertising it. The crowds didn't seem to be as big as they used to be. And, you know, I think part of that was just that maybe the term and had run its course there. I'm not sure but when Dinah was affiliated when there was more of a celebrity by end, it definitely had a different atmosphere than it has today.

Mike Gonzalez  18:08

Yeah, well in 97 at that, when at the Nabisco Dinah Shore, you must had the putter going because you had zero 3-putts that week.

King, Betsy  18:17

Okay, well that's that's an accomplishment that's good. Yeah, that's

Mike Gonzalez  18:21

good. I'm not sure I've gotten nine holes without a three putt. Well let's let's finish up with your last few victories. We go on now to 2000 Bruce with a couple of wins

Devlin, Bruce  18:35

and the Cup Noodles Hawaiian Ladies Open and the LPGA Corning cCassic again second time there were the sudden death playoff with the Vicki Goetz and Kelli Kuehne. Okay.

King, Betsy  18:47

Yeah, the wind in Hawaii that was on Oahu at a course called Kapolei again wins always a factor when we play there but I played well that week and and I liked the course there it was outside of Honolulu. And I had a number of wins in Hawaii. Hawaii's been a great state for me and winning my first one Yeah. And then kind of one of my last wins there. And I think I never won on the Big Island but I want to Maui and Kauai and Oahu. So yeah, that I always enjoyed going there and then Corning that year. I do remember going into the playoff there and winning that was was was fun to do. A lot of fun to do.

Mike Gonzalez  18:49

Well, you played right up to age 50. So take us as you did take us through your decision. You know as a youngster of turning professional now now take us through the thought process of winding it down and setting your timeline for that.

King, Betsy  19:52

Well my last year, I think I only made one or two cuts. I know I made it up in Palm Springs And then I don't remember if I made another one, but I actually, you know, sometimes outside circumstances make the decision for you. And my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer in June of that year. And so I made the decision to stay home. And he basically only lived till September, he had colon cancer that had already spread. And he was a physician, my dad, you know, I'd mentioned he'd gone to medical school. And he made the decision, he was 85 years old, he said, I'm not going to do anything. He had had surgery. And they had done what they could through that, but he elected not to do any chemo. And so he did not last very long. And I was I was pretty close to my father. So. So that that kind of was the decision that was made for me, I did go out and play one event, I believe, or one or two while he was sick. And then I said, I can't do this. And I went back home, so and then my mother had dementia, she died of either Alzheimer's or dementia. She lived about a year and a half after my dad. And so I was involved with her care. You know, she, both my parents died at home, they did not want to go into assisted living, so we had care come in to take care of them. And then I would stay there as much as I could. So those those illnesses of my parents and death were really what made me not made me but were a big part of the reason why I retired. And I, you know, I'm happy that I did it that way I wouldn't have wanted not to. So

Mike Gonzalez  21:41

anyway, well, you closed out a beautiful career. And as Bruce alluded to earlier, the playoff record is quite unusual of you'd be surprised to hear sort of what the playoff record overall is for these 71. World Golf Hall of Fame and major winning guests that we have had to date.

Devlin, Bruce  22:02

What is it's not? It's not a winning record. It's a about 43 and a half percent. Yeah. Well, so

King, Betsy  22:12

I think, well, I believe my answer would be to that, that the more golf you play, the more the better chance that the better player is going to win. And so in a playoff win it often man and one hole. And so

Mike Gonzalez  22:31

yeah, and that's, that's very true. It's kind of what we found, I think if we adjusted for the multiperson playoffs, right, so sometimes there were three or more so right here just for all that. The record is probably 50-50 which says it's about a coin flip.

Devlin, Bruce  22:45

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez  22:49

But 8&6 is pretty good with some with some really good winds, just ticking through the majors. You had a wonderful record the majors, starting with the Dinah Shore 21 cuts made and 23 starts with with a three wins and a T-2 to Helen Alfredsson in 1993 LPGA Championship 24 cuts made in in 28 starts with four top fives and seven top 10s Of course we've got the winner 9092 But also, you were second third to Jane Geddes in 1987. US Open 20 cuts made out of 30 Start six top fives a couple of wins Of course. 10 top 10s And then the British Open which just came too late, obviously. I think a lot of players wish that would have come along earlier to play some of those great courses that you said is on the open road. Everybody would have enjoyed that. And then the du Maurier, which was a major from 79 to 2018. cuts made in 20 starts there and, and 11 Top 10s Eight top fives couple seconds. One at Beaconsfield in in 89. And wanted to London Hunt Club in 1993. So of all of those any woulda, shoulda, coulda is

King, Betsy  24:03

yeah, when you start. I know exactly. It would be the du Maurier I lost to play off to Brandie Burton. And whatever mulligan and I needed to not go into the playoff would be it for me making one more putt or whatever, you know, that would have done it. That would be because at the time du Maurier for part of my career was a major on the tour. Yeah. That that that would be the place where I would use the mulligan

Mike Gonzalez  24:33

Yeah. Well, let's talk Solheim cup. Bruce. What a record.

Devlin, Bruce  24:37

Yeah. As a player seven, six and two. Whitworth and Mickey Walker were your captains in 1990 at Lake Nona that had to be a thrill.

King, Betsy  24:52

It was that was the first one there were there were eight people on the team. You know Kathy Whitworth as your Captain, all time winner. And Whit was fun, you know, tell this story. She, when everybody knows this, and it kind of is a bit of a joke, but she had a lot of negative self talk that was her way of motivating herself

Mike Gonzalez  25:17

She was hard on herself.

King, Betsy  25:18

Yeah. And then the famous line was when she'd miss a putt, Kathy, how'd you ever get your card, you know, she 88 times. So anyway, at that event, when I remember sitting in the team room, and she goes now girls, is going to come down to whoever wants it the most. And if you don't want to win this, you're not going to win. And they all I could think was I'm sitting in the room here with Nancy Lopez, Pat Bradley, I believe Patti Sheehan. Dottie I don't know if Dottie was on that team, but it was very competitive people and I'm thinking these are the eight, eight most competitive to people I've ever met my life. I think we all kind of lose. We want to win, you know, and but it's neat to see how the Solheim Cup has grown. I mean, that was the start. It was, you know, like known as a great course it was a great venue for the event and I, I have some of my most fondest memories there.

Mike Gonzalez  26:21

So five times as a player in the Solheim Cup. I think we went win loss won won won So 4-1  record as a team and then what a privilege to be the captain of the Solheim Cup 2007 with a win at The Halmsstead Golf Club in Sweden with you against Helen Alfredsson and quite a team you had that year.

King, Betsy  26:44

Yeah, that was a lot of fun. I had a great team. The weather was not the best that year we had a delay in fact one of the days that we had to finish the matches Sunday morning before we started the singles because of delay on Saturday we'd had really high winds and some rain to the point where it blew over some of the the tents on the property and Julie was on that team Morgan Pressell, Paula Creamer, Angela Stanford. I'm trying to think Brittany Lincicome that was her first Solheim Cup Natalie Gulbis. It was it was a great group of players and I was just hoping to make it a memorable week for them. And they, they played really well. I think we were down a little bit going into the singles but we came back and one is usual Americans in general, I've always been stronger in the single matches. And I I do remember, Morgan drew, Annika to play in the in the singles and she was really excited about it. And she took her down, she played really did, defeated her. And she wanted to play or she wanted to play or Morgan was such a great match player, you know, she had a pretty good average career match play. And she, at that time was just confident in her ability to win.

Mike Gonzalez  28:08

Yep, took her down to one must have been a heck of a match. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, Bruce, as you look back on Betsy King's career, and you look at some of the accolades and award I was stood, quietly finalist.

Devlin, Bruce  28:23

Yeah. 87, 89 Golf Writers Female Player of the Year, ESPY Award for the Best Female Golfer in 1994. World Golf Hall of Fame in 1995 LPGA William and Mousie Powell Award in 86, National Polish American Sports Hall of Fame, 2002 Silver Anniversary Awards. And one thing that I know Betsy King is so proud of his her philanthropy that she has done over the years Habitat for Humanity, Romanian orphans, Golf Fore Africa, which I believe you have. You make three trips a year for that, right? Well,

King, Betsy  29:10

I haven't, I've made 25 trips to Africa since I started Golf Fore Africa. I haven't. I'm headed there again, this August. I haven't gone since the pandemic and we as a group, but we went walls last year, but on average, closer to two trips a year. But I've done every time I go I'm greatly inspired and want to continue the work and also would love to see it go on after me so that we can continue to make a difference in Africa, basically, by bringing clean water improve sanitation and hygiene education, to villages to health clinics and to schools in rural Africa. That's what we're doing.

Mike Gonzalez  29:53

Yeah, so that that first trip in 2006, must have been a transformational Last time,

King, Betsy  30:00

it was it was very much. So I went with a group of women that an agency called World Vision that does relief and development, I invited to Africa to see the effect of poverty and the AIDS pandemic, particularly on women and children. And, you know, we talk about poverty here and not saying it doesn't exist, but it does not exist at the level, to the extent you see it anywhere in the world, and particularly what I saw in Africa. And, you know, and its effect. I mean, when you see people that don't know where their next meal is coming from that lack access to clean water, that live in, in entire communities that have no sanitation, have no electricity, are sleeping on dirt floors. You know, it's it's, you can't see that and not do anything about it. I know I can't change the world, but I can change the world that I'm in. And that's Yep, we've set as a goal for golfer Africa.

Mike Gonzalez  31:07

Yeah, well, just looking at your website, in in terms of access to clean water 450 wells installed 300,000 People help 15 million in money granted over that time. And that's leaving you quite a legacy. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

King, Betsy  31:27

I, I just feel honored that we've had people come alongside us to make a difference. I mean, I'm personally committed financially as well. But without all the donors that have stepped up to help us that have played in our events. The players that have lent their name their notoriety, have fundraised for us to play in our events have gone to Africa with us. Without all of that, you know, we couldn't have done what we've been able to do. So I just want to thank everyone for their support.

Mike Gonzalez  31:58

Yeah. So Bruce, as we wind down here, there's three questions. Betsy has answered one of them. And so we got Yeah, she's already answered one. Oh, that's fine. I'll take the first question. And that's this, Betsy, we're going to put you back to 20 years old or so you're just starting the tour 22, 23. To what you know, now, you know, then what you know, now, what would you have done differently?

King, Betsy  32:25

Well, what came immediately to mind is to be nicer to everyone. I mean, I did it most of the time. But, you know, sometimes I didn't. And sometimes you get in a bubble, and you feel like, I can't be nice to everyone or not, it's not in a bad way. But like, oh, I don't have time to do all that. And if I were to have to do it over again, I would have I think I would be friendlier, including while I was playing and realize that it's not going to affect my ability to compete. Well. I think people get too, too put in that bubble. And when I go to tournaments now and I see players with headphones on while they're practicing and walking around, it kind of makes me mad. Because I really know they're doing it to shut out people as opposed to, you know, just that they need to do that to perform well. So that that would be for me, the one thing I would do differently.

Devlin, Bruce  33:27

Okay, last one. How would you like Betsy King to be remembered?

King, Betsy  33:34

Well, hopefully, that I did the best that I could with the God given ability that I have to be the best player that I can be. And then secondly, that I've also done that to be the best person that I can be.

Devlin, Bruce  33:50

Well, you've been a wonderful guest for us Betsy and I know, I won't speak for Mike, because I know he'd like to say it as well. But you've been a fabulous guest, and we appreciate your time. And all I can say is what a wonderful career you had. Thanks. 

King, Betsy  34:08

Well thank you. Thanks so much. Again, I just want to congratulate you guys on what you're doing. I think it's great to get these stories down. And let's keep the history of golf alive. And I'm very pleased to have been a part of it. Thank you.

Mike Gonzalez  34:24

Wonderful having you. And you're so pleased to be able to add your story to all the great stories we've been able to tell so far. 

King, Betsy  34:30

Right. Thank you. Thanks so much.

Mike Gonzalez  34:33

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