Helen Alfredsson - Part 4 (Solheim Cup and the 2019 Senior Slam)

Intro Music 0:07

Straight down the middle. It went straight down the middle. Then it started.

Mike Gonzalez 0:15

Just touching on the majors very quickly. You win the dinosaur, of course you had two top fives and and four top tens there. And as we talked to uh these ladies from the LPGA tour, I think most look upon that one as their favorite.

Helen Alfredsson 0:30

Yeah, I'm sure.

Mike Gonzalez 0:31

Just uh, you know, just as you said, the fact that you're able to come back to the same place every year, the history of David Foster, Colgate, Paul Molliff, what that sponsorship early on in that tournament did to really put the LPGA tour on the map.

Helen Alfredsson 0:48

Well, I think also that the people made it a destination, you know. They came, they knew also, you know, and it was available. Masters is never available for a lot of people, you know. I mean, even though it's a lot of people there, but it's not these people could join, could be there and be a part of the A teen and that big tent and seeing the golf course and actually walking the golf course. And no, they did um it was something that was very important. And I think that was one of the goals also when you when you are a rookie, because in in those days to qualify, you had to be top three within a year of the tournament in order to play.

Mike Gonzalez 1:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 1:28

So that was also one of the little goals that everyone had when you came.

Mike Gonzalez 1:31

Yeah. Well, you know, you look at uh your earliest years on the tour in terms of major performance. Um we talk about the 93 win at Dinoshore, we talk about a T5 in the LPG Championship, a 92 to Betsy King. Uh uh a couple of uh uh well, three three good finishes really in the U.S. Open that we'll come back and talk about. Uh uh 93, you had a you had a top ten in the DeMorrier. Uh uh so just that little stretch, 92, 93, 94, some really good performances. Let's go back and I hate to drag you through this corey detail about the U.S. Open, but you brought it up and and I think it's uh it's it's out there. Uh starting in 93, uh when you had a two-shot lead after the third round, and uh we're now at crooked stick for the U.S. Women's Open and finished second to Laurie Merton.

Helen Alfredsson 2:23

Yeah, well, I I was I actually felt really good that we that year. Uh unfortunately somebody had put an alarm uh somebody had put an alarm to my room at five o'clock in the morning. So somebody called my room for a wake-up call, and um and I had I I mean obviously I teed off at one or something. So I didn't need a wake-up call and at five, and then when you leave in the open and it's still early in your career, it's not like you just go back to sleep and thinking, well, well, yeah, I sleep another couple of hours. And then it was delayed. So I had so much time, I was actually completely exhausted. Um, I try to hang on, but it was a it was one of the biggest grind I've ever done, even just to be second. But um, but it's amazing though, you know, you win, and I remember the reporters asking you, it's like, aren't you happy? And I'm like, no, you know, I mean, the open is second doesn't mean a whole lot. I mean, when you get perspective on it and you think you okay, you made some good money, but you know, to lose it in that fashion was not fun.

Mike Gonzalez 3:35

Yeah. Well, you know, in your career with all the winning you did, you had a lot of late tea times on those final days. Did you tend to manage that morning pretty well?

Helen Alfredsson 3:45

Well, I I think uh, you know, it's one of those things where you you you're not gonna feel good. It's just and I, you know, we have this big issue in Sweden right now because these young kids that are going into sports on a high level, and yeah, they don't feel so good. Well, no, you don't feel good. But you learn to live with it because when you are going, when you're leading a tournament or when you're actually have a chance to win, you care so much that your whole being, your stomach, and people throw up or whatever. Well, then throw up if that's what you need. But but the satisfaction because you know this is do you like it? No, you don't like to feel that way, but it's a part of it. And to win a big tournament, it's not gonna come for free. You know, it's not gonna go, it's not gonna be like being home and just practicing and chatting with your it's impossible. The body decides it's complete something completely different for you. You don't even have to do anything, it's just gonna feel shitty.

Mike Gonzalez 4:45

Yeah, yeah. But the the more you put yourself in that position, the better prepared you're gonna be for when your time comes, right?

Helen Alfredsson 4:52

Absolutely. And we have the best swimmer in the world right now, is uh her name is Sarah Grostrom, and she said, we did a TV show together, and she said, you know what, everybody thinks she's so stoic and she doesn't show anything. She said, you know what? I hardly sometimes I don't even know how I'm gonna get out to the start. But when I get up on that start block when before the gun goes off, as soon as I hit the water, she said, now I'm fine. And I think that's how we feel is just before you get there, especially when you feel good, before you get there and you just want to get on the golf course so you can get your focus on what you're trying to do. And when you can get that focused, that nothing else matters than hitting that next golf shot.

Mike Gonzalez 5:35

Yeah, yeah. So let's take you back the following year, then 1994. Now you're at Indian Wood. We talked about Patty Sheehan winning that U.S. Open. Open with a 63, also a record you set with your 36 hole total of 132. You were 13 under at one point during the third round. Probably the first time that's ever happened. I know Gil Morgan set a pretty good mark at Pebble Beach for under par in a U.S. Open. Um, but that was also a record. Um, and then the last 29 holes, not so good. Uh what was happening?

Helen Alfredsson 6:08

Uh you know, I it it it it was one of those weird moments because you know you shoot 63, right? I could have put it in the opposite direction and the ball would still have gone in the hole. That's how so it was but I was so uncomfortable, and it's so hard to go in and not feeling that happy and having to it's very hard to say to the media, it's like, yeah, I was just lucky, it's not gonna last. And I knew it was not gonna last, and and I tried everything to just I really tried everything, I just couldn't make it last. And um why? I have no idea. But I just never felt good. It was almost like it was mean to to get to give me that many shots ahead and then to lose everything. Yeah it's obviously I hit every shot, but but it it was a strange feeling. I've never happened since then, but it was odd.

Mike Gonzalez 7:08

So knowing what you know now, with with your experience and so forth, being in that position uh several times, if you were to transport today's Helen back then, age 29, but you're you're physically 29, would it have been a different outcome, or is it just something unexplainable that you just never have figured out?

Helen Alfredsson 7:28

Unexplainable, you know what I putted, uh I mean, every putt sort of went in if the if if I even put it on the line to the hole. Um the shots, even though I towed it and I healed it and they found the cut they found it something near the cup. Uh and then I hit the same types of shots, but now it didn't do what the other one had done, you know. So I I I wasn't comfortable with my ball striking whatsoever.

SPEAKER_04 7:57

Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 7:57

It really it it came out the last two, and that was I was afraid of. And I I just uh sometimes I'm very much of a field player and field person, but I really tried to chip it around. I tried everything. I really tried everything because giving up was obviously you can't do, but yeah. It was as easy as it was the first two days with not game, as hard as it was the last two days.

SPEAKER_04 8:24

Yeah, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 8:25

Well, let's uh we'll finish up on the British Open, uh, which you won in 1990, uh obviously before it became a major, but uh you must have over the years played some great venues. Uh if you enjoyed Lynx Golf, uh probably played some great venues uh in that event in the UK.

Helen Alfredsson 8:44

Yeah, we played. Well I played they didn't really got like Muirfield and uh yeah Liverpool, they uh Hoy Lake, they didn't really get those courses when I played. That rotation came later, unfortunately. Um But we still played Oh which one I got to play them for other reasons, but I didn't get to play those rotations uh when I played on tour, unfortunately. But I'm so glad to see the women get to play it now.

Mike Gonzalez 9:16

Well, Bruce, let's talk about Solheim Cup and then we'll come back to senior play. But uh, you know, we're talking about a woman here that got to play in the first one. Kind of cool.

Helen Alfredsson 9:28

Very that was so cool. It's yeah, in 1990. I mean, we couldn't even give away tickets, I don't think. I mean, it was we played at Legnona and we were rookies, and it was very interesting, like I alluded to when you come out and you meet all these big stars. I remember, unfortunately, the late Dale Reed and I were partners and we played Patty, uh no, we played Pat Bradley and Nancy Lopez. And I was so scared, and I remember thinking, Oh god, I hope they don't think I'm in the way. I was walking in the rut, the edges of the rough, because I didn't want to bother them.

Mike Gonzalez 10:12

And how far that event has come over the years.

Helen Alfredsson 10:15

You know what? It is so amazing. And in my speech, when I was the captain, I said, you know, the Karsten's dream became all the young women's dream to be a part of that event, to be able to showcase what it's only two things that matters, Europe versus US. And these girls, they play their hearts out, and to see the mass of people to come and watch the women. Uh, I feel so lucky to have been part of part of that event uh for you know eight times and Captain One and and the the places that we've gone and and what has happened to it. I mean, from basically having hardly no uniforms and being happy to get free food to where they are now. It's um it's amazing. Yeah, it's it's an amazing event.

Bruce Devlin 11:08

The one thing that I find interesting about the Solheim Cup is that you played in uh 90, 92, 94, 96, 98, 2002. And then you captained in 2007. And what happened in 2009? You get back and play in it again. I thought that was pretty space.

Helen Alfredsson 11:30

I know that was crazy, actually. That was weird. I I was captain a little too early, I think, but um, but it was I realized that it was much easier to be a player than to be a captain to try to have all these spoiled girls. They couldn't even go and get their own banana. I mean, really? How are you gonna do next week when I'm not there? Go and get your own banana.

Mike Gonzalez 11:53

Well, let's t let's take you back to that first one in 2000 uh uh or rather 1990 at Lake Nona. Uh the captains, of course, Kathy Whitworth, and uh and and then Mickey Walker, who probably captained about the first three or four teams, as I recall.

Helen Alfredsson 12:09

Yeah, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 12:10

And some great players. You know, you go through uh the sides, and we've got uh, of course, Laura Davies, Hall of Famer, on your side, on the U.S. side, uh Hall of Famers Pat Bradley, Beth Daniel, Betsy King, Nancy Lopez, Patty Sheehan, uh Dottie Pepper's been up for uh Hall of Fame before. Rosie Jones uh won a bunch, just never won a major. I mean, you had some pretty strong players, and then back on your team, uh Lotta and Trish Johnson and uh Allison Nicholas and uh quite quite a lineup.

Helen Alfredsson 12:48

There, um, but I remember in the second one, I remember with you know, Beth and Meg are two of my best friends on on uh from the tour and even in life now. But I remember when Beth said something like, even though she said that she didn't say it, but and I I think I believe her because she's such a class act, but she said something like, or the media said, Oh, nobody on that team could ever be put on our team, or maybe Laura then. And that was the second, that was in '92. But uh it was uh I think it was Patty Sheehe and that put on Facebook that team, the winning team in 1990. And I go, thanks for bringing out the big memories. That was a big thumping.

Mike Gonzalez 13:28

I mean, we got thumbed from the get-go there, but um so the first Solheim Cup 1990, the first match out, Friday morning for some, and it's Laura Davies, Allison Nicholas, Pat Bradley, and Nancy Lopez.

Helen Alfredsson 13:50

That's a nice group, isn't it?

Mike Gonzalez 13:52

So the U.S. being this the visiting team must have been able to tee off first on the first hole. I'm not sure how that was decided, if that was it or if it was a coin flip. But so so you got Forsome's play, Bradley and Lopez. Do you remember how it was decided who was gonna hit the first shot ever in the Solheim Cup competition?

Helen Alfredsson 14:14

No, do you?

Mike Gonzalez 14:15

Yes. Do you know? Yes, we do. Pat Bradley, Pat Bradley, and Nancy Lopez are on the putting green. It's five minutes before somebody's gonna hit the first shot ever in Solheim Cup competition. Neither one of them had given it a thought. And Nancy finally says to Pat says, Well, Pat, uh uh you want to play odds or evens. Imagine that today in the Solheim Cup, not gonna happen. It's gonna be decided months in advance. And Pat says, Well, I don't know. Nance says, you know, I don't whatever. But what are you comfortable with? And Nance says, Well, I'm not sure I'm ready to hit that first shot. I'll take it even. And Pat in interacts, that's right, Nance. I'm okay with odds. I'm okay with odds. And off they go. And Pat Bradley hits the first shot ever in the history of the competition. I'm sure Nancy later thought about that and said, Well, that was stupid.

Helen Alfredsson 15:12

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know what, it wasn't really that big. We didn't really know what we were doing. I mean, did we? I mean, yeah, we knew, I mean, for for the longest time it was called the Women's Ryder Cup.

SPEAKER_04 15:24

Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 15:24

I mean, we didn't even think about it. It was, you know, yeah, it was big, but it if if we would know now what what it would have been, it would have been so much bigger. But for them, they were so used to it, they were winning. They were absolutely amazing stars. But but Solheim for them hadn't really been, it wasn't really much at that point.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 15:47

But but like you said, you know, I'm sure Nancy is not happy that she wasn't the one that took that first shot.

Mike Gonzalez 15:53

It's just sort of interesting, but uh it just illustrates the fact that you guys had no one had any idea what this thing was going to become.

unknown 16:01

No.

Helen Alfredsson 16:02

No. But I think uh I think though it helped that we won because the the thumping that we got the first year. And then when we actually won the second time in 92, I think that helped a little bit to keep the interest because if they would have given us the same kind of uh, you know, beating, then the interest, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 16:22

Yeah, yeah. The team dynamic is as because we've talked to a number of the players on that team in 90 and in 92, and and the team dynamic was a little different. Uh uh Kathy Whitworth, of course, uh her mother had taken ill and she had to go back because she eventually uh passed on, and so the assistant captain kind of took over. But you guys won that second one uh at uh Delmahoy, and uh and then you got another win at Loch Lomond. Uh and so by that time you were captained by uh uh Dale Reed that time. You had Pia Nilsson, a fellow country person uh as captain before uh Dale did it a couple times, and Allison Nicholas uh the final year you played at uh Jerry Rich's place, uh just west of Chicago, right? What Rich Harvest Farms, that was your last yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 17:10

Yeah. No, it was uh I think that's the sad part, you know. And I we are very lucky now, and and that's another thing with the Sol Line, which is fantastic. They they bring us all together, they invite the captains, and so we get to go and see each other and and and no stress just to you know to cheer on our team, which we now know, and uh obviously, because it was fun because in the in the early days it took almost six years to uh to uh six months to a year before we even spoke to each other.

SPEAKER_04 17:43

Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 17:43

You know, when we were it's like everybody avoided each other, you know, the Europeans avoided the Americas and they avoided us.

Mike Gonzalez 17:51

Well, I'm sure you can think of a lot of examples of how things changed from that that first one in 1990 to by the time uh uh you played your last one, 2019. By then it was a big deal.

Helen Alfredsson 18:06

Yeah. Yeah. It was a very big deal. But I'm so proud now to see because now even if you don't follow like women's golf or you don't, you whatever you don't do, but now when you when you go to an event like that, this is the showcase for the women, best girls uh, you know, on on our sides, you know, I know people arguing about yeah, it's not the best players in the world, but it's it's the best players in Europe and the best players in the States. And the fighting and the high fives and the and how you you trying to win that point and how you do it for your for your continent. It's uh, you know, and it's amazing. I think what I love is like if the goal is strong enough, you know, we play against each other every day of the year, except that one week. And with the goal that clear as beating, you know, for you guys beating us and for us beating you, it is so amazing to see how everybody gets together and and support each other. I think um it's a great feeling.

Mike Gonzalez 19:13

Yeah. How do you rate your Solheim experiences with uh other experiences you had as a professional?

Helen Alfredsson 19:21

Well, I think when we won in 92 because of the bad, bad loss we had in 90, it was just amazing how this group was so fearless. And we we just we never looked back, we never talked about it. We had all these problems in the locker room with with clothes, you know. Trish had three different sizes, you know. I mean, one was too small, and one, I mean, and Laura couldn't play in green, and then somebody didn't like this color. But then, you know what, this is what we have, so let's do something about it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 19:55

Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 19:56

And uh, but how the the happiness of the innocence of uh of that event and how big it is today, we had no idea, but the effort and the energy I think we put in is as much as it is today.

Mike Gonzalez 20:11

Yeah. So who would have thought that 10 years after your final Solheim Cup as a player, you win the senior slam? Yeah.

Helen Alfredsson 20:23

Yeah, who knew, right? Yeah. I don't know what happened. I mean, I I Pine Needles is a very tough golf course, and and I remember I I was in the States uh early on, and I I flew up to Pine Needles to play the golf course, and it played so long, and it just ran off. And I had nightmares from like March till May or June when we played the because I just saw myself the ball, you know, like Augusta when it's cut down grain. So when if you it rolls off 40 yards, but then you can't chip and run it up. You have to lob it up because it's into the grain. And and I just found something that week, and I felt so solid with the way I had my ball striking. I was it was no fear whatsoever. It was such a great feeling. And and I know it doesn't count as much, but to finally get that something USGA to put in my cupboard was pretty special. And on that golf course too, uh, which was very, very nice.

Mike Gonzalez 21:26

With some great history there.

Helen Alfredsson 21:28

Yes, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 21:30

Peggy Kirkbell and that family and and uh their involvement. Of course, they hosted some great championships, including some US opens that uh your fellow countrymen won at least one there.

Helen Alfredsson 21:42

Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean that Peggy Kirkbell was a great ambassador for women's golf in in every way, and the way they let us come and play their amazing golf course was so fun. It was in great shape, and and uh yeah, we're we've been very lucky. I mean. Even even as a senior, because obviously we're not going to have that big of a following. We got to play the Chicago Golf Club. We got to play some really nice courses. You know, she's back on being, you know, early on, which is really nice.

Mike Gonzalez 22:15

Yeah, that was the 2018 senior women's U.S. Open at Chicago Golf Club. That uh, I mean, Laura Davies just obliterated the field. She was playing a different course that week.

Helen Alfredsson 22:28

I know. When when she's on, she usually looks like she's playing a different golf course.

Mike Gonzalez 22:33

But how special for your inaugural? Because uh, you know, many, I mean, talking about Pat Bradley and many of the ladies uh had been lobbying for years and years to have that event for you all. And uh have it at Chicago Golf had to be pretty special.

Helen Alfredsson 22:49

Oh, it was it's just like you're part of the history, and you know, you don't know, and and it's being so private as it is. It's uh you know what? I always enjoy playing difficult and known golf courses that had a bunch of history, you know, even when you go to play well, I don't know if you played it, Bruce, but um, you know, pro member at Seminole, you know, you see all this memorabilia and the history, and you hear all these stories, and you know, it's been there for so long, so you know they've hosted a lot of events, and and it comes with a lot of history and stories that they are gladly telling you.

Mike Gonzalez 23:27

Yeah. Uh of course we're talking about uh Helen winning the the second uh U.S. Senior Women's Open. This was in night in in 2019 at uh at Pine Needles Lodge and Golf Club by two over Julie Inkster and Triss Johnson. And uh what's nice about that one is you get to go to the USGA Museum in Far Hills, New Jersey, and look up on the wall, 2019, Helen Alfredson. It's kind of cool.

Helen Alfredsson 23:58

No, you're you're you're so right. You know, it's it's one of the things where it's nice to have some part in history. Um, you know, I don't have it that big of a part, but but it's nice. I love the game. They the game has given me so much that I could never have more than I could ever have asked for. My years in America has it's uh it warms my heart every time I think about the people that I met, the golf we played, and the life that we got to lead, and all my friends that we have now that that are in the same boat, you know. Um yeah, so it's I mean, people that say that it's tough and you you play sports and you get yeah, you do, but what you get from it, you can't even describe it in words, you know. I got to meet you, Bruce!

Bruce Devlin 24:47

That's right. It means my pleasure, young lady. My pleasure, I can assure you.

Helen Alfredsson 24:53

We we used to be up at the Green Bride, didn't we?

Bruce Devlin 24:56

Yeah. Uh-huh.

Helen Alfredsson 24:58

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Bruce Devlin 25:01

So you you know we talked about that uh open win there, Mike. She also won the uh senior LPGA championship at uh French Lick in 2019, became the second player to win the senior slam uh the year before. Uh Dame Laura Davies did it. So you're in pretty good company there.

Helen Alfredsson 25:26

Yeah, she's been she's been amazing. I mean, she's been a part of my life for so long. I mean, the first time I met her was in I think '82 or '83. And she was so long. You know, I mean, she was I mean, we couldn't even sniff anything. We had to hit two shots to to reach hers. Um, and the way she played with no fear always, and just going at it, and and uh a great person as well, which is nice.

Mike Gonzalez 25:56

She was great.

Helen Alfredsson 25:58

Very down-to-earth, very down to earth.

Mike Gonzalez 26:01

You had some other opportunities to play team play. You represented Sweden at the World Cup in 2007, and then the Honda Cup, uh, you played on the world team four different times, again for some great captains. I mean, on the U.S. side, it was Joanne Carner and Nancy Lopez, and on your side, uh Pia Nilsen, who I'm sure you know quite well, and South Africans Sally Little.

Helen Alfredsson 26:24

Yeah, no, yeah. No, that's I mean, I mean, it's it's so different when you're a senior. I I love it. It's like we call it fill in the blanks when somebody's gonna tell a story. That's like you remember when we were um oh, then somebody had to fill it in, and then somebody's forgot their glasses, they can't see how to write. And you know, I mean it's it I mean, but it's still that goes on the humor account, and somebody has a knee injury, and somebody's forgotten this, and uh painkillers, and you know, goodie bags when we were played on the LPGA was makeup and now it's depends and it's painkillers and God knows what else is in there.

Mike Gonzalez 27:04

Well, you know, at least when your seniors are together, if you got a big enough group, there's enough people can remember uh the whole story, I guess.

Helen Alfredsson 27:12

I know, I know. So you have to be together because otherwise there's a lot of holes in the stories.

Mike Gonzalez 27:18

Story storytelling becomes a team event.

Helen Alfredsson 27:21

Yeah, exactly. And you know what? The funny thing is the story's just gonna get better, too.

Mike Gonzalez 27:26

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You get you get straighter, you get longer, a little embellished and yeah. So bring us up to speed, Helen. Uh that was 2019. Uh, what's going on these days? Are you still playing? Are you still taking a whack at some of these senior events? What are you up to?

Helen Alfredsson 27:44

Well, I'm playing a little bit. Last year I played uh uh the open up in Portland, and uh and I thought I played so horribly, it was the worst golf I played with in years, and uh and I thought I'm not gonna finish my life uh go as a golf profession by not hitting one more faraway. So I've been working a little bit on the game, I've been working in here, and and and besides, I like the game of golf. I I like to, it gives you it gets your mind together, it's it gets you focused. You know, we can't do it as much now because back in, you know, all kinds of things uh it's not it's not as workable as it used to be. But but I do some um chair events, we we you know you find stuff that you can do with it. You know, we have a foundation for the ADHD kids, um, and uh golf is one of the best sports for kids that I have ADHD, and I think a lot of our friends, Bruce, have uh they wouldn't call it like that in those days, but uh we certainly had something that uh made us yeah, yeah. So which is nice. Yeah, and uh otherwise it's I don't do uh a whole lot. I go with my dog, I hang out with friends and do some corporate things. I have a little bit of golf schools, but uh no, I I'm not overworking.

Mike Gonzalez 29:09

Well, if you've heard any of our podcasts, uh these other ladies that we've talked to over the last couple of years, uh you'll know that we always like to wrap it up with three questions. And uh I always uh give the T to my more senior partner.

Bruce Devlin 29:28

So is the first one. If you were able to take the knowledge that you have today and take it back when you first turned pro, what would you have done differently?

Helen Alfredsson 29:48

Well, first of all, I wouldn't have been be so upset. I wouldn't have let my moods drag me after the round was over.

SPEAKER_05 29:59

Okay.

Helen Alfredsson 30:00

I would have left it when when the round was done, it was all done. I had it was one of my bad things that I I kept it a little too long. Carried it with it. Poisoned myself a little bit. Yeah, carried it with me.

Mike Gonzalez 30:15

More champagne, more roses. Alright, second one. And I'm not sure Bruce and I know the answer to this question. By by now we typically do. We're gonna give you one career mulligan. Where do you take it? One shot. One shot.

Helen Alfredsson 30:47

It might be the one at the crooked stick they opened the last the last shot. I mean I I I would have liked to stick that one and uh after that big fight that I had a crooked stick, uh to make a birdie on the last hole and at least go into a playoff.

Mike Gonzalez 31:09

That's a good one.

Bruce Devlin 31:10

That's a good one.

Helen Alfredsson 31:14

Talk about not bringing things with you. Sorry, brother.

Bruce Devlin 31:17

No, no, sorry, the last one is Helen like to be remembered.

Helen Alfredsson 31:37

And kind.

Bruce Devlin 31:42

Pretty nice.

Helen Alfredsson 31:43

Maybe a little bit funny, of course.

Bruce Devlin 31:46

We'll accept that. And uh I must say that you are definitely the most relaxed interview we've had. You appear as though you're just lounging back there in your chair, and we thank you for being with us today, Helen. It's been a it really has been a thrill for us. Mike and I talked about this for quite a while, and uh we thank you for being with us. Hope you enjoyed it as much as we did.

Helen Alfredsson 32:14

You know what? I did, and I I I I have to tell Beth that you he she didn't tell me the full truth, that you were so much more fun and great questions and great talk than uh than she said. But she own she also gave you this big, big um what's the word I'm looking for? I mean, she just said they were amazing. She thought it was one of the most fun interviews she's ever done. So thank you for even exceeding that. Compliments from her.

Mike Gonzalez 32:45

Well, thank you so much. We're uh we're delighted to be able to add your story to all the golf greats we've done on For the Good of the Game. Thanks, Helen.

Helen Alfredsson 32:54

Thank you very much. You guys take care.

Mike Gonzalez 32:57

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Intro Music 33:21

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