Jenny Lidback - Part 1 (The Early Years)

Intro Music 0:07

Straight down the middle. It went straight down the middle. Then it started to pull.

Mike Gonzalez 0:15

Welcome to another edition of FORE the Good of the Game at Bruce Devlin. I suppose if you were gonna win a tournament, it's kind of nice to win a major.

Bruce Devlin 0:25

Isn't that the truth? Yeah, and this young lady uh came from uh an area that I visited once when I was heading down to Rio de Janeiro. But uh Jenny Lidback was born in Lima, Peru, and it is very nice to have you on the podcast with us. We look forward to listening to your story.

Jenny Lidback 0:48

Thank you. I'm very excited to be with you guys.

Mike Gonzalez 0:51

Jenny, welcome. And uh of course, we're gonna get to that big major win that you had up in Canada at the 1995 DeMorie Classic. But before we do, as you probably know, if you've listened to any of our other podcasts, you know that we start at the very beginning. And I'm sure your story is fascinating because uh well, first of all, you're the first Peruvian guest we've had on the podcast. I think it's safe to save. Uh but tell us about uh uh your upbringing, and I know you've got an international uh uh background with uh I think an Italian mother, a Swedish father, and just tell us about life growing up in Peru, and then eventually we'll talk about how you find your way here.

Jenny Lidback 1:34

Well, yes, I was born in Peru, and actually us kids were second generation born there. Uh my parents were first, but yes, they are their background is Italian and Swedish. Uh, they were both very good golfers, single-digit, and they represented Peru in World Cups around the world. And uh so we were always brought up kind of around a golf course. It was either the beach or the golf course. And um, you know, when I um I was a big soccer player, very big soccer player. And I uh when I was probably about 11 or so, I started getting an interest. You know, we'd go to the club every weekend, and we lived in big cities, Lima and Rio de Janeiro. And uh the thing to do on the weekends was go to the club. And while they played golf, I played soccer or did swam or anything like that. And then I eventually said, I want to play golf. I want to try golf. And the setup that we had in the golf course that we belonged to, they had 18 holes for the uh for the experienced amateur, and then another nine set of holes uh with two different tea boxes for the newcomers. So it was great. We never got on their way, you know. It was our like our golf course of all beginners, and so the great it was a great junior program, and uh I really started liking it, you know. Um it was I started really with tennis, but our club didn't have tennis, so my parents always had to go out of their way to take me to tennis, and then they would go play golf, and then a few hours later they would pick me up, and I don't know, that was kind of complicated in a big city. So I said, okay, I'll try golf. And I think I was drawn to individual sports. Um, and like I say, we had a great junior program. We played, we played uh tournaments every weekend, and then after that I moved to Baton Rouge and continued, and it was that's how I started, really.

Mike Gonzalez 3:39

Yeah. So let's back up a little bit because uh most of our listeners probably don't know much about Peru. Uh, Peru is a South American country, probably 34, 35 million population right now. You've got uh neighbors uh like Chile and Bolivia and probably Ecuador to the north. And uh tell us a little bit about Peru.

Jenny Lidback 4:02

Well, Peru, um Lima Lima Golf Club, which is I don't know if you guys have been in Lima, it is literally in the heart of the city. And it's uh it's it's like New York, and you know, it's here's Lima Country Club in Central Park. Exactly right, you know, surrounded by high rises. Yeah, in there my grandfather was one was one of five people that started Lima Country Club.

Mike Gonzalez 4:33

Oh, cool.

Jenny Lidback 4:34

Yeah, so he's a founder, and uh so golf comes, you know, and of course he was from Sweden. And so he was uh, so I was I was a literally, I may have started playing golf when I lived in Brazil, but have always been around the club or the golf or in even in Peru. Um my mom, when we were little, you know, she she's so funny. Uh she wanted us to skip school, you know, first grade or second grade, either to to come to play golf with her or follow her. We would we were too little to start, really. You know, that in those times you you started playing golf when you were about 12. And uh not like they do now when they start around five, six or so. But so we were always around a golf course um in Lima, always. Um my parents played, they were club champions and South represented South or Peru in many, many tournaments around the world.

Mike Gonzalez 5:31

Yeah, so what did your grandfather do that he would have come to be one of the five founders of Lima Country Club?

Jenny Lidback 5:38

He owned his own business in Peru, and uh, you know, which was tubing and represented a lot of a lot of American countries or companies, I should say, in uh in Peru. Um, but golf was his passion.

Mike Gonzalez 5:53

Yeah, and did your dad uh follow in his footsteps in that same business?

Jenny Lidback 5:57

Yes, yes. Until he sold, you know, and we left Peru.

Mike Gonzalez 6:02

And it sounds like you moved around a little bit then. You've already mentioned Brazil, you've mentioned Peru. I think you lived in some other places too growing up, didn't you?

Jenny Lidback 6:09

Lived in Connecticut, lived in Baton Rouge, lived in Houston, Arizona, Atlanta.

Mike Gonzalez 6:16

Yes. And was this all dad work-related moves?

Jenny Lidback 6:21

Uh yes, they were. Uh Connecticut, Baton Rouge, uh, because he lived in, he worked in New York. Um, but the Arizona and Atlanta were my choices. And now, you know, back to Arizona now are were my choices.

Mike Gonzalez 6:34

Yeah. So let's take you back to to learning the game then. Uh you were quite young. Uh I like the sound of that setup where you kind of had the nine-hole, as you say, the beginner course, if you will, which could be somebody new to the game or or juniors, right?

Jenny Lidback 6:50

Yes, exactly. Yes.

Mike Gonzalez 6:52

Did you have a driving range? Have your own shag bag? What was that setup like?

Jenny Lidback 6:56

We had uh, no, we had a driving range, and uh, we had a driving range, so spent a lot of time there. And I took lessons from Mario Gonzalez, and uh he was actually very well known. And uh his son tried to tour. I'm pretty sure he played for Oklahoma or Oklahoma State, and uh, but so he was very almost, you know, very well known in South America. So we took lessons almost every weekend. And uh I showed up to my class one time with my with a putting grip to hit balls. And uh, you know, you're young and you're trying different things. And he goes, What's this? And I'm like, Well, it felt good, you know. And he goes, No, go back to the golf grip, not the putting grip.

Mike Gonzalez 7:45

So, how far had your game developed before uh I guess at age 13 you moved to Baton Rouge?

Jenny Lidback 7:52

Yeah, you know, I actually won a lot of tournaments um in at our club when I was before moving to Baton Rouge. And uh we also uh one day they had a uh group of uh PGA guys, one of them being Gary Player, and he played at the other course not far from us, and we watched and we followed him. It was an exhibition, and he shot 59, and my older brother has a scorecard signed by Gary Player, you know, and it was of course I was all fired up to watch something like that. But but yes, I was I was winning club tournaments, you know, club junior tournaments. And um yeah, I I played, I started, I I improved pretty quickly, but I was kind of obsessed with it also. You know, I I spent hours on the driving range and playing on this little nine-hole golf course. And um, that's when I kind of lost interest in other sports, really, the tennis or the swimming.

Mike Gonzalez 8:57

Yeah, you mentioned those other sports, and I guess uh Bruce and I always wonder what what the attraction was for golf. I mean, some people enjoyed the solitude of the sport uh uh or the fact that it was an individual challenge as opposed to a team challenge. What was it for you?

Jenny Lidback 9:14

Individual and the solitude. I loved it. I um, you know, I always thought that if I'm gonna succeed, I wanna, I'm gonna succeed on my own and not rely on other people to for me to succeed. And that was kind of always my frame of mind. And uh I I love the peacefulness of work walking in fairways, and I actually don't play anymore, you know. COVID kind of helped me retire, I should say, because I'm I don't I don't miss it. But that's the one thing I miss is the beauty of walking on fairways, you know, and uh a golf course is always beautiful, so that's what I miss, but that's okay. I go on hikes or something else.

Mike Gonzalez 9:56

So you're 13 years old, so now we're sort of 1976. Um I'm thinking about the fact that uh we're still sort of pre-internet, we're pre-YouTube. I'm just thinking about how does a girl at age 13 in the year 1976 learn the game? And for you, it would have been, I guess, what's in books, what's in magazines, what you observed, and then of course your lessons that you referenced, yeah?

Jenny Lidback 10:27

Yes, yes. Um always took lessons, you know, Baton Rouge. Um, my coach was Tommy Marty. And when we moved there, my parents asked around a lot. It's like, okay, so who teaches juniors in Baton Rouge? And it was Tommy Marty's name kept coming up. And uh so he was at another course where we've been where we belonged. And every Saturday, 9 a.m. was my slot for my class, for my lesson. And uh it never failed, you know. And Tommy has always been, I still obviously keep in touch, and he he's been a big, you know, reason for my success. Uh Mr. Positive. And uh, you know, golf can be a very negative, or if you're if you're not careful, it's a very mental game. And I I uh he was Mr. Positive, you know, it's like no better no matter how bad I was hitting it when I got to my lesson, you know, after that hour I felt like a million bucks and like I could beat anybody. And uh so you know, when you're a kid, you you do need positive, you know, you need to be realistic, but you need to be positive.

Bruce Devlin 11:39

Tell us about some of your uh early amateur days. Uh I know I noticed in your record there in 1978 when you were 15 years old, uh you were a runner-up in the U.S. junior girls competition. That had to be that had to be pretty thrilling for a young lady from from Lima, Peru.

Jenny Lidback 12:02

Yeah, that was pretty amazing. Uh my mom came with me, and so was my aunt, you know, who was visiting from Peru, uh my great aunt. And uh um that was amazing because it was one of my first big tournaments. My my parents did as much as possible, you know, to send me to national tournaments. And um I also eventually when I was a kid, I started taking lessons from um oh Dickin G Dickinson.

Mike Gonzalez 12:34

Gardner Dickinson?

Jenny Lidback 12:36

Gardner Dickinson. Yeah, yeah. So we used to drive, you know, my parents drove me to from Baton Rouge to Palm Beach. And uh, so anyway, um the U.S. juniors in '78, that was um, I had to go to a playoff to qualify for the match play. So I was the last spot in. And uh, you know, I just kept winning my matches, you know, and match play is a lot of fun.

Mike Gonzalez 13:06

Yeah. You either live it or you hate it, right?

Jenny Lidback 13:09

Yeah, yes, and I I loved it, you know. I was never a long hitter, I was very average, but I always seemed to hit to the green first, you know, not always, but I don't know. It just seemed like I always put the pressure on my opponent.

Bruce Devlin 13:26

Yep.

Jenny Lidback 13:26

And uh, you know, that's so that's when not being a bomber off the T had it had its advantage.

Mike Gonzalez 13:34

Yeah. So this was uh the 1978 U.S. Junior Girls uh contested at Wilmington Country Club, and uh uh the young lady that beat you was Lori Castillo. What can you remember about that final match with her? Was it a 36-hole final or 18?

Jenny Lidback 13:51

I want to say it's 36, but I'm not 100% positive. Um, you know, uh so, but anyway, and I knew about Lori, and you know, a really great player. Um, you know, she played on tour for a little bit also. And uh, but yeah, you know, uh when you're I don't know, that age, you don't know a lot. I did not know a lot about Lori. I just did know that she was a good player and she had qualified a lot better than I had.

Bruce Devlin 14:17

Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 14:18

And sometimes at age 15, we've heard from girls that uh they were so oblivious to the importance of the occasion that they didn't feel the nerves. Others were as nervous as they've ever been. What do you recall about that?

Jenny Lidback 14:31

Yeah, I don't remember being that nervous. I think the older we get, the more nervous we get. Yeah, isn't that the younger you are? It's like, yeah, if you can keep that mentality of a of a youngster, it's the best, you know. But yeah, um no, I I was just glad, you know, barely qualifying for the match play. Every match I won, I thought it was a bonus.

Mike Gonzalez 14:54

Yeah. So what what was in the bag back then?

Jenny Lidback 14:58

Oh gosh. I don't even know if 11 Woods and Seven Woods existed yet. Um no, that was early. No, I yeah, I think it was early in my tour career than I started using those, and I didn't kind of care what people thought, but uh, you know, it was yeah, it was probably what was it? I'm sure I still have my clubs because I've kept my really old clubs. I may have been playing, it's either Jack Nicholas clubs or pings. It was one of the two. Those are the only three I've used Nicholas Wayback, Ping, and Callaway.

Mike Gonzalez 15:35

Ah yeah, I'm trying to remember when Ping came along, Bruce. I mean, I had a ping putter, obviously, when I was in about uh what was 1970, I probably had a ping putter.

Bruce Devlin 15:48

I was gonna say it's probably mid to latter part of the 60s, I think, when when Ping came on the scene. Yeah, it'd be quite a force in the game, actually.

Jenny Lidback 16:02

Yes, huge.

Mike Gonzalez 16:04

Jenny mentioned Gardner Dickinson. Any favorite Gardner Dickinson stories that you have, Bruce? Because you would have known him.

Bruce Devlin 16:12

No, he he was uh he was uh he was renowned for uh trying to do everything that Mr. Hogan did. So they used to call him Little Ben. So that's uh he he was you know Gardner was a pretty good player. He he had a pretty good success in the game.

Jenny Lidback 16:35

Wasn't he one of the best ball strikers?

Bruce Devlin 16:37

He's pretty very good player, yeah. He was. He he was a very good player.

Jenny Lidback 16:42

Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 16:45

How long did you work with him, Jenny?

Jenny Lidback 16:47

Uh a few years.

Mike Gonzalez 16:49

You did?

Jenny Lidback 16:50

Yes, I did. Yeah. So it was uh it wasn't easy, you know. I mean, um not easy getting there and uh great, great teacher, but you know, um he was not he didn't sugarcoat things. No and uh so he told it the way it was.

Bruce Devlin 17:17

That's probably not surprising, Bruce. No, it's not surprising at all. So in you know, again in 1978, uh Jenny, you you went to the uh polo golf junior classic and were victor you were a victor there by uh two up over uh pretty good player Penny Hamill. What do you remember about that?

Jenny Lidback 17:39

Yeah. Oh, I I remember that was uh gosh, what golf course? I just remember the layout of the golf course. It was um was it PGA national? Anyway, um yeah, it was uh yeah, I lost on the 18th hole. And um, you know, Penny's another great player. And um, I remember that's kind of where I met also Heather Farr, the late Heather Farr.

Bruce Devlin 18:08

Uh-huh.

Jenny Lidback 18:08

And uh I think uh I had to beat her in one of the matches. Uh a lot of big names in that tournament. As every year there was a lot of big names in that tournament.

Mike Gonzalez 18:18

You know, we just spoke of Heather Farr with Brandy Burton uh day before Sunday. That's right, because she was a Heather Farr award winner. Correct. Yeah and of course knew Heather as well.

Jenny Lidback 18:30

Heather and I were very good friends. Um if there was a USGA event out west, you know, or any big tournament, uh I would sometimes fly early to Phoenix, stay with her, we would practice together and you know, fly together to the to the event. And um yeah, Heather, whenever AJGA had a team event, and I remember we had one in uh in Austin, Texas, uh we were partners. And so Heather and I were very close, very, very close.

Mike Gonzalez 19:04

Yeah. So Bruce, we kind of moved from 78 to 81. Of course, now she's about 18 years old, starting to think about uh where do I want to go to college, uh still competing at a high level uh in in in amateur events. Uh talk us through that time of your life.

Jenny Lidback 19:26

Yeah, it was obviously pretty special. I was playing a lot of good golf and being very successful at it. And obviously by then I definitely knew that I wanted to be a tour player. And actually, that happened when I was 14 that I wanted to be a tour player. And that's actually when I started working with Gardner. You know, my parents said, okay, you this is what you want to do in your life. Well, we got to try to find the best of the best. So anyway, so um about 18 and so, and trying to figure out who to or where to go to college, you know. Um, of course, I I lived in Baton Rouge, so LSU was there, but really my choices were um TCU or Tulsa. And uh, you know, I got a letter, which is here in my office, you know, from Nancy Lopez, because she had she went to Tulsa for a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah, and it's there and it's um it's hanging. And uh, but you know, I am not a cold weather person, and I'm sure they had the facilities, uh, not like they do nowadays, but I'm sure they had an indoor facility. But it was the weather that turned me away from Tulsa, and I ended up at TCU.

Mike Gonzalez 20:38

Yeah. So give our listeners some insights into your game at this stage. You know, you're just getting ready to play collegiate golf. Take us through the bag. Strengths, weaknesses. Uh what did you have at that point?

Jenny Lidback 20:51

Short game was has always been my strength from early on. A good putter, short game chipping. Um, very accurate. Um back then, you know, I was an average hitter, you know, I wouldn't say a bomber, but like Brandy Burton. But uh, you know, it was it was uh it was uh overall it was a good I I got into very little trouble, hit a lot of greens, and if I didn't, I I got it up and down.

Bruce Devlin 21:26

Bruce, that sounds like a recipe for success, doesn't it, Jess? Yeah, yeah. Keep it in the middle of the fairway and then be able to get it up and down and putt. Well, that's pretty that's a pretty good uh way to play the game.

Jenny Lidback 21:42

I remember I was on tour and I'm playing with Julie Pierce, who was a good friend of mine, and we finished on the last hole, and literally the flag was put on, and I don't remember what round it was, it was not the final round, and uh the that's how. Quickly she came up to me and makes and says to me, You know how many greens you hit today? And I'm like, No, I mean we're literally walking off the last green. And I'm like, No. She goes, Well, you hit nine, and you shot one under. And I hit 14.

Bruce Devlin 22:15

And I shot and I shot one over.

Jenny Lidback 22:18

And I just shrugged my shoulders and I said, Well, it's the way it goes.

Mike Gonzalez 22:23

Yeah. That's golf. That time spent around the green sure helps, doesn't it? Yeah.

Jenny Lidback 22:30

It does. It does. Because it takes a lot of pressure off of the long game, you know, and then you can get the long game back. But you know, the long game, it's not always there. So you'd have to have to have a backup.

Mike Gonzalez 22:43

Yeah, well, you know, back to our conversation with Brandy. Uh, she loved bombing balls, she loved beating balls on the range. And so as she looks back, she wish she would have spent more time closer to the hole with her practice. Yeah.

Jenny Lidback 22:59

Yeah. Well, I wish I would have had some of her distance.

Mike Gonzalez 23:03

I'll bet you might have helped.

Jenny Lidback 23:06

Doesn't it work that way?

Mike Gonzalez 23:08

Yeah, you always want what the other player has, I guess, right?

Jenny Lidback 23:13

Yes.

Mike Gonzalez 23:14

Well, uh, let's talk about 1981. Uh, in addition to that college choice you were making, there are several tournaments uh that uh you had some success at. Uh the uh 1981 Futures, Future Legends, the 1981 Tournament of Champions, the 1981 All-American Junior Classic. You were the golf digest junior player of the year that year. So uh you had some pretty impressive credentials. I would have expected that uh there would have been several other universities that would have liked to avail themselves of your services.

Jenny Lidback 23:47

Well, there there were, but really that those were my that was my interest, you know. That was far enough from home. I did not want to go to the West Coast or really super east coast. I was I wanted something that it would be easy for me to get home when I had time off.

Mike Gonzalez 24:04

Yeah, so tell us about those college years. Was it a big adjustment for you that first year uh going away from home?

Jenny Lidback 24:12

Yes, it was. Yes, it was. But I was I was ready for it. And I obviously the the schools you know that I that I chose, I was comfortable with. So I was just ready to hit another level of my career.

Mike Gonzalez 24:28

Well, you know, you're young enough uh to work Title IX had already kicked in, which provided much more opportunity for women and athletics at the collegiate level. So you must have benefited from that because by then more and more women teams were emerging on the college scene. Uh high school teams were starting uh uh you know girl programs as well in golf. Um so you know, as you think about some of the guests we've had, like 90-year-old Kathy Cornelius, you know, who who was playing back in the early to mid-50s on the LPGA tour, a lot of those ladies just didn't have the opportunities that uh uh the younger players have had.

Jenny Lidback 25:11

You're absolutely right. And it was right at the end of my high school that Title IX went into effect, so I was able to play some tournaments with uh with the men, you know, in the high school team. And so, yeah, we were really fortunate, you know, and uh like you say, there was more uh budget for our for our women's golf, so we were able to play more tournaments and even once in a while fly in a private jet, you know, of a sponsor or so forth. And so that that was exciting.

Mike Gonzalez 25:44

Yeah, yeah. Uh Bruce had some other successes uh with some good finishes uh during her collegiate career, uh as she went around uh some pretty top-flight amateur competitions.

Bruce Devlin 25:55

She sure did. Yeah, quarter finalist in the uh women's amateur U.S. women's amateur, but you made the uh World Cup team in uh 1985 representing Peru. Do you remember much about that tournament?

Jenny Lidback 26:12

I do. I uh we were playing in Colombia, Gali, Colombia, and I was um it was a two-man World Cup, and uh my my other partner was Alicia Debos, who also played on tour. And um we had been partners, oh gosh, since I was a teenager, about 13 years old or 14 years old, you know, in the South American championships and uh representing Peru. And so any World Cup that I got to play, which was always with Alicia, you know, we had a great friendship and always comfortable, you know, with each other and uh as partners and uh golf partners. And so yes, I remember, and uh she just really helped me stay at the moment. And she's really a funny person. So I I tend to be really serious, um, or can be. And she just kept me, she just kept me lighthearted, you know, and uh yes, I was able to win that tournament, which was which was a big deal and a big deal that I wanted, you know, with her as a partner.

Mike Gonzalez 27:28

Yeah, that's great. Well, you had success too on the on the the college front uh playing for TCU uh 81 to 83. I guess you won the NCAA team title in 1983. That's a big deal.

Jenny Lidback 27:43

We did. We had an amazing team, and we practically won everything. Um I don't know, we probably our worst finish was probably third place the that entire year. And uh it was Ray Rothfelder and Marcy Bozarth, and she who also played on tour some and Kelly also, and um, you know, myself and Rita Moore, Chris, Chris Hansen. Uh so yeah, it was we were super excited, but it was almost expected when NCAA came around. Um, but you never know with golf, but we had we had an amazing successful year.

Mike Gonzalez 28:23

Yeah, yeah, two-time All-American and a broadcast uh journalism degree. Uh you could be out doing a podcast too, I guess, right? Yeah.

Jenny Lidback 28:33

I know. I really thought I'd be a TV commentator when I retired from tour and uh, you know, do what Dottie does. And uh, but you know, I was so ready to be at home, I didn't want to travel anymore. And I still wanted to get a dog. So uh though that that kind of didn't happen.

Mike Gonzalez 28:54

Yeah. So did you then move to LSU?

Jenny Lidback 28:58

I did. Yep. There were some personal problems at TCU, and uh so I ended up moving back home, which is where LSU was, and I had um I had to sit out up a a year and a half because I left in uh in December. And um that's when so I played my senior year at LSU. I only had one year eligibility left.

Bruce Devlin 29:19

Yeah. Had a pretty good year too, seven individual titles and and the player of the year and all American as well. Pretty good year.

Jenny Lidback 29:30

Yes, yeah, you know, the the personal problems at TCU kind of told took a toll. And when I got home, I was just happy to be home, surrounded by family, and uh I didn't play much golf for for a while. And when it was time for me to play for the LSU team, I was like so ready to go, and I had you know funny teammates, and Karen Bonson was the coach, and I was just so fired up to by then, you know, to start competitive golf again.

Bruce Devlin 30:03

Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 30:05

You get your degree, you finish up a collegiate career. You'd already mentioned to us that at age 14 you had decided you're gonna be an LPGA pro. So let's get you out on tour. What uh what was the process? Did you have to go to Q school or what what uh path did you follow?

Jenny Lidback 30:23

Yeah, I took the long path because I did not qualify after being player of the year, you know, um, I I finally got my tour card on the third of try. And it was played at Sweetwater Country Club and uh super hard golf course outside Houston. And I don't know, it ate my lunch every time, you know, and so I failed the first two times and played the mini tour and the futures tour. And you know, it was that third try. My younger brother was on the bag and he's super chill and really good golfer. But you know, it was it was funny because I was uh no, it was not funny, but it after the third day, after the third round, I was well no, after two rounds, I was well into the number. And then the third day, I think I shoot like an 80 or 82. I actually think it was an 82. And I remember walking off the third round, and I'm like, fine, that's okay if I don't make it again. I'll be back next year. I'm gonna keep trying. So I went so relaxed on that final round that I shot even par, which was a good score of sweetwater, final round of Q school. And it that moved me up from I don't know what spot to the top 25. And uh, you know, you sometimes I think about it, it's like good thing I probably had a bad round on the third day because I was so relaxed on Friday or the final round, thinking I'll be back next year. That's okay. I'll just I'll just keep trying, you know. And uh, well, it worked, and uh obviously finally a dream come true, and thank goodness I didn't have to do that again.

Mike Gonzalez 32:11

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Intro Music 32:32

Whack down the fairway. It went smack down the fairway, and it started to slice just smitch off line. It had it for two, but it mounts off nine. My caddies, as long as you're still in the stage, you're okay.