Mary Bea Porter-King - Part 3 (Serving the Game)

Lee Trevino 0:07

Straight down the middle. It went straight down the middle. Then it started to be able to do it.

Mike Gonzalez 0:15

You've talked about the move to Hawaii. You've talked about uh getting married in 1989, and then we sort of fast forward to sort of retirement, which is uh comes uh you know nine or ten years later. Uh probably an easy decision based on the fact that you're already based in Hawaii. It's kind of a lot of travel, a lot of hassle to compete anyway, you're kind of part-time. Was that was it pretty easy to just say, okay, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Yeah, uh yes and no. Um because I I felt that I'd never uh accomplished what I should have. Um and that was hard. Um it was, you know, it was hard. Uh one of the stories I didn't tell you, and I hope I can get through it emotionally. But um I was lucky enough in the early 80s, um, well, it was in the 80s when Mickey Wright came back to play. Um she had to come back to play, and she had had a bad investment, and she came back to play the tour, and she was one of my idols, as I mentioned earlier, as as a child, and just to me one of the greatest players ever, men or women. And um so we were playing one day, and I I was very lucky to get to play with her because I was in the past winners category and you know, low on the money list, but and Mickey was in the past winners category, and so we obviously we got to play a lot together, which was uh such a privilege for me. And Carol Mann had written an article um and Mickey had read it, and she said, Did you read that article Carol wrote? And I said, No, I didn't want to say. And she said, um, it said Carol felt that there would never be a player on tour that could dominate the tour like Mickey did. There would never be someone that strong and that did that. And I said, Yeah, I I agree with that. And she says, Well, I don't agree. I said, Oh, really? Who who is that? And she said, You. Um, you're the only player out here that I think could do that. And I'm like, so I always carried that with me as well. So I I just felt that I never accomplished what I should have. And uh, you know, if if I could do it all again it'd be a lot easier.

Mike Gonzalez 2:33

I suspect though that that uh that continued to drive you as you got to Hawaii and you tried to find a new purpose, uh that that constantly is back there driving you to all the other great things you've accomplished.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Probably, you know, and and and I also had a um a great sense of that I needed to give back um because of what golf has done for me. Um and it was uh you know, I I feel that I was given a gift as a child from Betty Hicks. Uh I was given the gift on how to play and and the etiquette of the game and um you know, taking care of the golf course and all the things that are important to me. And so I I did feel that um and I don't feel necessarily obligated, but I I feel it's a gift that I I want to pass along. So I then found myself very involved um in junior golf and golf just just to get back, and especially with children. Yeah. Uh so that they learn the game the right way and and uh it's a game, it's a gift you give for a lifetime for them.

Mike Gonzalez 3:44

Yeah, yeah. I I I look back on uh my personal motivation. I had a I had a report card I received in the third grade, and of course, you know, you get the grades, right? A, b, c, whatever, and then and then you get some teacher comments on the back. And my third grade teacher once wrote, Mike's work doesn't measure up to his ability.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

It's hard. It's hard to do that.

Mike Gonzalez 4:06

I've used I've used that my whole life.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Yeah, yeah. Uh and um yeah, and that could be. And that's a a great thought. I appreciate that. It's uh it probably did motivate me.

Bruce Devlin 4:19

Mary Beast talking about the uh girls junior in uh 1994, you served on the USGA Girls Junior Committee for actually for seven years. That was quite a stint there.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

I did. Well, it was uh the beginning of of another path that I took, and and uh my girlfriend Kathy Matt that I spoke of before was moving from Hawaii. She was the representative to the girls junior here in Hawaii, and so she recommended to Joni Birkland that I take over. And uh I had never thought about that. And and a part of that was um going to rural school. I thought I was I thought I was pretty knowledgeable in the rules and found out that I was not. And uh so I I started doing that and and uh and also was still playing at the time and and then realizing that thank God I didn't have big galleries or there wasn't a lot there weren't a lot of TV cameras on me that how many rules did I break along the way uh that I didn't know I had. But uh so I started on a path to with junior golf and nationally with junior golf and um ended up um moving on being asked to serve on the executive committee to the USGA. So that was quite an honor.

Mike Gonzalez 5:39

Yeah, quite a quite a bit of involvement with the with the USGA. Uh I'm guessing um well when did you when did you take your first three-day rule school? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

I do. It was in 1994, and Kathy had taken it taken it before me, and she says, Mary V, whatever you do, don't take the test, because you're and she's a straight A student at ASU. And uh I was not. And um she said she'd just taken the 50 question one and she got 25 right, and she was a tour player as well. Um and so I took it and I I think I scored something like 60 something, and I'm like, oh my goodness, what this is pretty sad. Somebody that lives their life playing golf, and I don't know all the rules, but they they're complicated or can be complicated, but uh I think they've made them much easier. So I've I've gone every year since 1994. This this last year was the first year. Well, I did go last year, so I've gone every year since 94 to a rule school.

Mike Gonzalez 6:38

First one I took was taught by Tom Meeks and Kendrick Graham.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

There you go. And Kendra Tom, I love Tom Meeks, and he always says tough luck had to start somewhere. That's what what I tell people. They say, Why isn't this smart? I said, Well, because look at where you are, you know, tough luck has to start somewhere.

Mike Gonzalez 6:59

So I I want to go back to something you'd mentioned earlier, and and uh because I think it happened before he moved to Hawaii, and that was uh a little stint in broadcasting. You mentioned working with uh Jimmy Demerit, and uh I think Fran Tarkinton perhaps was in the mix. Um Bruce, of course, knows these fellows quite well, did a little work with them as well. Tell us a little bit about that experience.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Well, as I mentioned, that Ray Volpe decided that we should be on TV no matter what it was, you know, Sesame Street or whatever. And we were on PBS that first time I worked with Jimmy Demerit, and um and then NBC picked us up to pick up a few more events for us, and and that was when they had hired uh Fran Tarkington and John Brody and Jay Randolph. And with uh the two with the football contracts, they wanted to utilize them more, and so it was Carol Mann, Susan O'Connor Beard, Frank's wife, who was one of my dearest friends, um, and um Marlene Floyd were we were the the announcers and we were paired up with with those gentlemen, and I was fortunate to get paired with Fran, who admitted he said, I know nothing about women's cough, so here's the microphone. And uh so so Marlene and and Susan weren't as fortunate because I think uh Marlene ended up with John Brody and and Susan with uh Jay, who who you could be blind and listen to Jay and and know you could watch the dimples turn in the air. Yeah. Uh he was just an amazing announcer. I learned that.

Bruce Devlin 8:34

What was his nickname?

SPEAKER_00 8:35

So after uh Mound of Sound.

Bruce Devlin 8:39

There you go. I was just checking to see if you The Mound of Sound. Yeah. He's a good guy. He's a good guy.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

He was just he was good, good guy, really good guy. And um, yeah. I even uh ended up doing a sports celebrity tournament in Vegas one year. I I worked for NBC for and ESPN for twelve years, and it was during uh Omire's stent, and Larry Cerrillo was who I worked with. And um Omiro, as you know, was big into drama and you know catching the emotions, and he's really I think who built up the Olympics and the emotion of the sports.

Mike Gonzalez 9:18

So he was so did you you two must not have overlapped, I guess, then, huh? In your time with NBC?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

I think Bruce was working the men's and they finally allowed us to work by the side.

Bruce Devlin 9:28

Yeah, I think that's what happened. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yeah, yeah, because Bruce was, I think, working the same same years.

Bruce Devlin 9:35

Yeah, you'll get a kick out of this. I asked when when uh Omayer came from ABC to NBC uh he um I thought, you know, uh maybe I should, you know, should ask him saying he's gonna be the guy. I said, so uh give me give me your best tip about being a color analyst. And he said just remember that what you see on your monitor is the same thing the people see at home. So talk about the guys you took you played golf with, the conditions, uh what clubs they're using. Don't say it's a nice day 'cause the people know that. Which was sort of pretty simple when you think about it.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

He was it he was great and um Cerillo was was Cirillo doing the um directing too went on the producer.

Bruce Devlin 10:34

I had my Cirillo days as well.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

I think I think you did work an event I worked though, Bruce. Um did we?

Bruce Devlin 10:45

I'm almost pretty sure. I couldn't remember whether we did or not. Which one do you think it was? Because I can't remember. Well 'cause I'm older than you too, you realize that don't you?

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Yeah, a couple years, but Yeah, like No, I do. I'll no don't go in and into it. No numbers. Just say it's no numbers, please. Yeah, no numbers. I'm just happy to have numbers. Yeah. But it was uh it was an interesting time. It was frustrating for me because I did want to be plain, but I couldn't afford it. I had to take in our what we were paid was peanuts, um, absolutely peanuts, but it was guaranteed, and I I um I chose to do that because I had a child and had to figure out how to pay some bills.

Bruce Devlin 11:33

I got a thought when it might have been. Was it Dinah Shore? Did we work Dinah?

SPEAKER_00 11:41

I think it was Dinah Shore that you were there.

Bruce Devlin 11:43

Yeah, I d I did Dinah Shore for because I did work Dinah. Yeah, I think that's where it was.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

I know you did. And um I was pretty sure it was Dina Shore, because um you were in the booth, and I think was Carol with you at that time? Yes. Carol Mann? Yes. Was she in the booth with you? Yeah.

Bruce Devlin 12:03

No, no, no. No, no, no, I don't think she was in the booth with me. I'm trying to think who was in the booth with not in the booth, okay. Yeah, uh I think she was I think she was on the ground.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

I was always on the ground, never in the booth, which I enjoyed. Um it was fun. Well, it was fun, but again, it was frustrating because I I really felt that I should be playing.

Mike Gonzalez 12:26

Yeah, sure. Yeah. On the wrong side of the ropes.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Wrong side of the ropes, yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 12:31

So uh coming back a little bit to your USGA work because you've been quite involved over the years, committee work as well as um serving ultimately on the executive committee for uh a number of years, just explain for our listeners sort of the difference because a lot of confusion to the casual golf fan between what the United States Golf Association does, what the Rowan Ancient uh does in governing golf across the world, uh the PGA of America, where you serve some time as well, all and p and PGA tour for that matter, all very distinct uh with different responsibilities.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

You know, it it is interesting um what people, the casual golfer knows and doesn't know about it. And um the RNA and the USGA are the two governing bodies of golf around the world. The RNA has the larger portion of the game. We only have the United States and Mexico under the the USGA, and the RNA has the rest of the world, which is pretty amazing, you know, what they do. Um but together um they every we write they write the rules of golf. Um they every four years there there's a an update of the rules of golf, and they spend a lot of time and a lot of meetings and coming together and trying to unify golf so that there's one set of rules, and there finally is one set of rules. They're put a lot of different of things that they felt differently over the years they've put into local rules uh that can be adopted, but pretty much it's it's it is the same book today, uh, which is nice, it's not confusing. Um, and it was funny, one year I was working officiating the um US Open at Marion and uh had a walking score with me, and I think we're on like the 15th hole, and he said, Isn't isn't amazing what the PGA does here? And every green is surrounded by USGA. Every backdrop, everywhere you look, it says USGA. Signage everywhere. This is like the 15th hole, and I said, This isn't run by the PGA, it's run by the USGA. And uh he had no idea. And uh and I think that's very common for most people. Um you know uh when I asked my junior golfers when I do a lot of rules with them, uh, who writes the rules of golf, and they said, you do, and I said, no, no, I don't. The USGA does and the RNA does, but um it it's it's to me the what the USGA does and is amazing because they do they look out of after all aspects of the game. And I think each body, the PGA tour and the PGA of America, and Bruce can tell you more of the history of those two, but they it started as the PGA of America and and then branched off as the Tour. But um and i each has its own place and um its own definition, and and I think a lot of respect for each other.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Um what they're doing.

Mike Gonzalez 15:34

Of course, the USGA and the RNA as as the governing bodies of golf uh uh set the equipment standards for the game. They they uh they set the the rules for amateur status for the game, they run national championships or uh their own set of championships for for amateurs and professionals alike, uh quite a bit that they do, as well as uh have a responsibility to preserve and showcase the history of the game.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

The history and I hope the integrity uh of the game. So and I I think they do a nice job, and I think Mike Wan's doing a nice job too, and and picking up a few new things that uh especially the youth development program that that they're starting is something that I when I was on the executive committee felt very strongly that we needed to be more involved with our development of of youth in the United States. And you know, Australia is is uh one of the leaders of in youth development, and um, you know, Korea obviously is a huge, Sweden and all these other countries have taken it on with vengeance, and finally we are. So I'm happy after however many years I brought it up to the executive committee that they're finally paying attention and and trying to help our youth and and uh because it's not an easy sport to um to develop players, it's expensive, and and you look at other countries of what they do, and they help those those athletes become great players. And I I hope that um this new program they're starting, I hope it works out for us. And uh and Hawaii is one of the pilot programs, so I'm excited about that.

Mike Gonzalez 17:14

Well, speaking of Hawaii, let's take you back closer to home then and tell us a little bit about being involved and uh co-founding the Hawaii State Junior Golf Association and uh uh been a lot of successes with that over the years, hasn't there?

SPEAKER_00 17:27

It has. So having come out of Southern California, where we had tournaments almost every day all summer long, and you know, through breaks, and uh which is the only way I feel you're gonna create good players, is they have to have some sort of competition. Um when I moved here in '89, I found that um there were only three tournaments that they played in, and one was for junior world, one was for the PGA junior championship, and one was sort of a state championship. And I just felt very strongly that we needed to do something that was statewide, and I found I was involved with Kawhi Junior Golf only. When I go to Bank of Hawaii or First Hawaiian Bank and ask for something for Kauai, they would give me an umbrella and three dozen balls, and it it it wasn't gonna pay for anything. And and I I felt very strongly that if I was asking for all the children across the state, that the larger businesses and corporations out here would be in, would want to be involved, and they did, and they have, and they've done, they've supported us um really well over the years. And uh so we started we founded it right as I retired in '98, and our first uh first tournament was in '99. So uh we're done well and um had some great successes, as you said. We've had many national champions come out of that, USGA champions, PGA junior championship champions. Um, and um so I'm very proud of them. You know, we have a reigning U.S. Women's Open champion, uh, Alison Corpus, that'll defend her title this week. So um it's pretty amazing.

Mike Gonzalez 19:14

Yeah, we'll just tick off some of the names. I think a lot of these uh our listeners will recognize uh Casey Watubi, the 2006 amateur public links champion, uh Kimberly Kim, who won the women's amateur in 2006, Kyung Kim, who won the 2012 Women's Public Links. Michelle Wee, of course, people are going to recognize the 2003 Women's Public Links winner and the winner at Pinehurst in the 2014 Women's Open. And then, of course, you just mentioned uh Allison as the defending champion at uh at the women's open.

unknown 19:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Now a great list of of young players, and and hopefully they um learned something growing up here and and uh gave them more opportunities. And I, you know, like anything, I can give them opportunities, but they have to take advantage of that. And they did, and my biggest thing was to have them compete in our national championships. Um uh you know, and somehow it's the lo the local here, the local mentality is playing in junior world is bigger than playing in the US junior championship. And I I can't quite get them to understand that they're not quite the same. Yeah. If you win a national championship, it's uh USJ champion, you're that's the elite of the elite. So and when you I tell them that you know Tiger Woods won, and I don't think his record will ever be broken winning three juniors and three amateurs and pretty amazing three opens or four or whatever opens he's won. Yeah, I don't think that'll ever be beaten.

Mike Gonzalez 20:43

So yeah. Just that just that six-year match play record. You all know what match play is all about. It's hard to fathom doing that.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

And you're not exempt, you know. He he's not he wasn't exempt going into these. He had to earn a spot every year and and win all those matches. That's it's pretty amazing. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 21:03

So what are some of your favorite memories from these years looking back on the all the work with the Hawaii juniors?

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Well, I do miss it. I I sort of stepped aside and uh my board felt as is as I was getting older that we needed to get some younger people involved, and and I do miss being around the kids. Uh I do go officiate some events. I'm still involved, I'm still the president of it, but I'm not as involved as I was because I was I got very involved where I was kind of the um chief the chef and the bottle, you know, the dishwasher at the time. Yeah.

Mike Gonzalez 21:41

But um, kind of like running the tour back in the sixties is what those ladies had to do, right? Every week.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Yeah. When you look back at yeah, what the what those women did each week was crazy, writing their own press releases and you know, doing setting the tease and doing all of that. So that's what I was doing. And so it it's evolved and and I've got some nice young staff but the part I do miss are are the kids and I um you know I still have great relationships with them. I see them I um often you know um they've all gone on to be very successful in life which is nice and have doctors a lot of doctors have gone through and um and obviously some kids that are still out trying to play the tours and and uh so it's fun to follow them and and uh proud of them and proud that they took advantage of the opportunity we're proud of some of your uh achievements too four four hall of fames Arizona State University in four sports the Hawaii Golf Hall of Fame in 2004 inducted into Southern California Golf Hall of Fame in 2015 and the Kawaii Golf Hall of Fame along with uh Toya Sherry and David Ishii and uh Guy Yamamoto in 2023. That's quite a record young lady well I I probably about twenty behind you though Bruce I'm afraid no I'm it's you know I I've come to the realization that you go into a hall of fame when you get older but um yeah I'm proud of each of them I'm proud of what I did and one of my other proud moments was being being asked to serve on the board to the PGA of America as well and that followed my time at with the USGI Executive Committee and and um because those are the people that I really most related um I was the first professional tour professional to serve on the executive committee um and it it was um i it was a little difficult because I I looked at the game differently than they did and um uh I you know I know how I felt as a uh going from an amateur in the days that I did that they didn't think kindly of us as much as they do now. And um so going to the PG of America's board was really one of the highlights and it was a great time serving with them and um and it was the people that I most highly respect in the game because they're the ones that are in the dirt each day making it happen and teaching all of us and and carrying on the traditions of the game. They gave you a wonderful award too PJ of America first lady of golf award yeah what Bruce one of my juniors thought I was the first lady to play golf so that was that was married queen of scots they got the married part right but yeah but that was quite an honor as well and my father was there and my son and yeah it was quite an honor. So and that and that's when they flew in Jonathan and his wife to to be there which was quite a surprise. Very nice did a beautiful video and quite a a wonderful group of of women that are also on that list.

Mike Gonzalez 25:18

Yeah well you mentioned rules of course uh you went from uh scoring a 60 something on your first test to officiating and I think now over a hundred uh uh major championships both on the men's and the women's side so that's that's quite a leap. Uh you must have worked with some iconic uh rules people uh I don't know if uh you were probably uh probably PJ uh boatright was probably not around by then but uh certainly John Paramore and people like that that you've had a chance to work with the R well Boatwright was you know officiating when I was playing the opens um so that's how I knew him but John Paranor Paramore was just one of my absolute and Andy McPhee but John was one of my favorites and I did see him um just not long before he passed away when he came to his last meeting uh with the RNA and and uh he he was so wonderful and he always there to help and such a happy man and and uh always learn something new from from all of those guys that uh that do the rules every day of their life you know and John was sure one of them and a big I was a huge fan of his and miss them.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Yeah misses what what was the what do you remember is sort of the most difficult maybe the most uncomfortable situation you had ever been in as a rules official well this was uh I think my first year on the executive committee and um I was asked to officiate at the Walker Cup in um Sea Island Georgia and I had uh Luke Donald and okay senior moment um played for ASU um some English guy it wasn't an English guy Luke and oh okay the American the American um anyway I'll I'll come up with it um Luke was dormy can't use those words now but Luke was dormy no you can actually you can uh he he was dormy yeah thank you and um so I but we were the only match on the course and it's televised and um having done television and I'll mention a name to Bruce Corey Libel if Corey was my cameraman during my time and Corey's since passed away and just a dear dear friend and and uh so Corey's there trying to make sure I'm in every shot and I'm like I don't want to be in every shot because I'm not real sure of my rules knowledge here and um and it's match play and and uh also Mark Rolfing is the announcer and Mark has been on my board for junior golf here for years and a dear friend and so I've got Mark and Corey thinking that I should be in every shot and I'm like oh no please I don't want to be in every shot plus I'm the only match on the course and so every gallery person that's on the course has come to our match to watch us in and Jeff Quinnie sorry Jeff Quinnie and so uh we get to the 16th hole and Luke hits it right in the middle of the green so Jeff goes for the flag and I have a forward observer with me was a staff member and for the USGA and Jeff flies it over the flag into the penalty area then known as a hazard under and it doesn't and the my forward observer says you know Mary B it's in the it's in the penalty area and I said okay great well she forgot to mention that was under the TV tower in the penalty area and uh so now I've got a TIO within the penalty area temporary removal obstruction within the penalty area and she tells me that he doesn't get relief and I'm like oh no I know he gets relief and I'm thinking she's staffed she must know more than I know so but I I overruled her and gave him more than one less than two to the side of it but his relief wasn't great and the match was over but I just remember being there and uh it was hotter than Hades and of course Corey's got the camera and Mike Mark's got the microphone and I'm like oh my god what if I mess this up because she's just told me he doesn't get relief and I'm telling him he does so and fortunately I was right.

Mike Gonzalez 29:56

So yeah of course you've got this hierarchy you can go to right there's there's zone managers and then ultimately someone that that you could appeal to on the radio I guess right?

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Correct but I'm too dumb at this point to think I needed to ask for help, right? And uh and plus I have the head of both chairmans of the Rules of Golf Committee from the RNA and the USJ right there with me but uh I was positive that he received relief and he did. So I got it right but uh yeah it's it's uh doing rules is interesting. The only reason I like doing it is because it keeps me involved in the game. I see my old friends I see people like John Paramore and and you know Kendagram that you know doing rules and people that that I've known through the years and um and I'm inside the ropes. I'm not a good spectator. So I just came back from the NCAA championship too so it's um you know I I stay involved with juniors with collegiate and uh I I still officiate quite a bit during the year.

Mike Gonzalez 30:58

Keeps me busy and the Arnold Palmer Cup which is uh near and dear to my heart so tell us about becoming a member of the Royal and ancient golf club of St. Andrews.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

As you know I think it was um I you can correct me I think it was either 15 or 16 was when they brought in their first uh group of women for the RNA and um it was an invite uh and I didn't make that list which I probably didn't deserve to but um and I never dreamed it was a place it's a place that I revered and to tell you the truth I'd never played it before either I'd been there and I'd never played the old course and played the new course and uh because I had gone to a rules the RNA rules school over there and when I was on the executive committee and ended up at uh they had frost and my tea time was canceled so I played the new course instead. So I'd never played it but then when I was nominated um for membership by Jim Bunch out of Colorado um and my name was put in the book I just that was enough for me just to have my name in the book that sat in that building and and then in 2020 December 2020 actually a letter written on my birthday um I was asked to be a member so I I'm gonna make every effort uh till the till I can't walk anymore to go over and play each year. So it's it's just quite an honor.

Mike Gonzalez 32:31

Yeah pretty special so uh just bring us up to date some of the things that you're still involved in today.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

Well as I mentioned I still work junior tournaments here. Um Scott Simpson and is the golf coach at University of Hawaii and uh um uh the both the men's and women coaches asked me to help them here so I'll do c collegiate events here. I was running the last the last of the Pac 12 championships um for women's golf and I ran that up in Pullman Washington this year which was very sad for me to see that the Pac 12 is going away from the conference that I played and uh that's just it's to me very sad and the coaches were sad but um ran that up in Pullman Washington this year and then I just came back from the NCAA. I normally work um I I picked up uh became a board member the second time around to the what used to be called the Women's Trans Mississippi and unfortunately it was changed to the Transnational and unfortunately can we had to change its name to the Ladies National Golf Association. So it's uh 96 years old an organization that we have just become part of the elite series which is uh with the North South and the western and and different uh top women's championships the men have been doing it for a couple years it's been very successful and and I run the amateur championship for the LNGA and um normally I'll I'll work the US Open um this year because I I had two knees replaced I'm I'm a little I'm on the disabled list but I'm I'm ready to go pretty soon here I'll be back at it so uh as long as they invite me and I'm passing my rules test I'll I'll keep a I'll keep helping.

Mike Gonzalez 34:26

So yeah yeah well terrific uh of course if you've listened to any of our podcasts before we let you go we always like to ask our guests three final questions. So I don't know if you've cheated and looked ahead but uh I always defer to the more senior partner of our team for uh the first question. So Mr.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Devlin you have the tea okay Mary Bowen if you knew what you know now when you first went on the tour back in I guess it was uh seventy I've lost eighty three seventy three wasn't it yeah seventy three seventy three what would you do differently well I think I touched on that a little bit I would I would do it all again um and I would have not changed my game um I would have stayed with what I believed in and I knew that I could hit the ball I knew where my misses went and I would have never I would have never changed teachers.

Mike Gonzalez 35:43

I would have stuck with what I had and by the way you're not the first guest that has given a similar answer to that question.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Yeah so question number two and this could be amateur career professional career last Saturday we're gonna give you one career mulligan where do you take it one shot do over anywhere that would have made a big difference one shot well I wouldn't do over my pull hook seven iron layup I know I wouldn't do that one oh no that's you want to keep that one I keep that one my worst my best worst shot ever um boy that's a tough question um I don't know that I have an answer I I think I lost in Texas um in Dallas one year finished second but I I don't remember hitting a shot that I would have taken back but I'm sure there was one but uh I don't I don't record maybe a putt you curled out or something yeah it could be gonna finish it off with one more how would Mary B.

Bruce Devlin 37:04

Porter like to be remembered somebody that loved it better than she found it that's uh that's one thing that you have always said just leave things a little bit better than the way you found it and it's been a great pleasure for Mike and I to have you with us today Mary B.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

We've uh we've enjoyed every minute of it and uh wish you the best well you as well and hopefully I'll see Mike over at our club that we'll bring you in too Bruce we'll we'll bring you over to play if you if you did I would come and play yeah okay I we'll call you on that one.

Lee Trevino 38:06

Okay thank you both for the time we sure appreciate the opportunity Mary B to add your story to all the great uh stories we've told about the greats of the game I'm honored to even be on considered on that list so thank you for thinking of me then it's time thank you for listening to another episode of for the good of the game and please wherever you listen to your podcast on Apple and Spotify if you like what you hear please subscribe spread the word and tell your friends until we tee it up again for the good of the game so long everybody it went smack down the fairway and it started to slice just smit off landed for two but it must off my caddis as long as you're still in the state you're okay it went straight down the middle file away